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		<title>By: William Timberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Timberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, PoC, benvenuto(a) in Canecitt&#224;.

Yeah, I understand the romantic view, but those are the misanthropes of comedy -- &lt;i&gt;il Dottore,&lt;/i&gt; perhaps, or the older Beethoven as depicted in the movie, slapping at the ankles of a pack of tormenting children with his cane.

The world moves faster these days. I&#039;d say that if you haven&#039;t freed yourself of the bad habit of blaming your parents and their generation for everything by the time you&#039;re thirty, you most likely never will. As for your face, the plastic surgeon is as likely to be responsible these days &lt;i&gt;f&#252;r dein Antlitz&lt;/i&gt; as you are yourself -- assuming that a) you aren&#039;t poor, and b) you aren&#039;t Dorian Gray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, PoC, benvenuto(a) in Canecitt&agrave;.</p>
<p>Yeah, I understand the romantic view, but those are the misanthropes of comedy &#8212; <i>il Dottore,</i> perhaps, or the older Beethoven as depicted in the movie, slapping at the ankles of a pack of tormenting children with his cane.</p>
<p>The world moves faster these days. I&#8217;d say that if you haven&#8217;t freed yourself of the bad habit of blaming your parents and their generation for everything by the time you&#8217;re thirty, you most likely never will. As for your face, the plastic surgeon is as likely to be responsible these days <i>f&uuml;r dein Antlitz</i> as you are yourself &#8212; assuming that a) you aren&#8217;t poor, and b) you aren&#8217;t Dorian Gray.</p>
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		<title>By: pieceofcake</title>
		<link>http://dogtownessays.com/wordpress/2009/05/25/misanthropology/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>pieceofcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now here I have respectfully to  disagree -
and that&#039;s why I HAVE to write - I think Dick Cheney doesn&#039;t deserve to be called a misanthrope at all. In my book misanthropes are still some kind of romantically fascinating characters - like great minds who have gone bitter - So Jefferson would fit in perfectly - but Cheney? - Never! - 
There is this German saying: &#039;Ab vierzig bist du fuer dein eigenes Gesicht verantwortlich&#039; and Cheneys face says it all.  He is one of these sardonic old bureaucratic Korinthenkacker who call the police if the kids next door are to noisy and even the &#039;nickname&#039; Darth Vader does him much to much honor.
He should have been punished with the name of one of the simpler cartoon villains like Duke Sigmund Igthorn the &#039;antagonist of the Gummi bears.
(What he lacks in arcane knowledge or demonic blood paths, he compensates with badassery)
And &#039;badassery&#039; probably would be the perfect expression for Cheneys actions if he wouldn&#039;t have done it in the US of A.
And about that Bennett dude - perhaps them same old same old with a little more conscious -   
Whenever people are having good feelings, he just literally sucks the feeling out of them, injecting a creepy pedo-vibe.

And I know all of this is actually not funny - because these type of characters are not supposed to run countries - But it happened and I loved the Jefferson letters - and Hi! - William!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now here I have respectfully to  disagree -<br />
and that&#8217;s why I HAVE to write &#8211; I think Dick Cheney doesn&#8217;t deserve to be called a misanthrope at all. In my book misanthropes are still some kind of romantically fascinating characters &#8211; like great minds who have gone bitter &#8211; So Jefferson would fit in perfectly &#8211; but Cheney? &#8211; Never! &#8211;<br />
There is this German saying: &#8216;Ab vierzig bist du fuer dein eigenes Gesicht verantwortlich&#8217; and Cheneys face says it all.  He is one of these sardonic old bureaucratic Korinthenkacker who call the police if the kids next door are to noisy and even the &#8216;nickname&#8217; Darth Vader does him much to much honor.<br />
He should have been punished with the name of one of the simpler cartoon villains like Duke Sigmund Igthorn the &#8216;antagonist of the Gummi bears.<br />
(What he lacks in arcane knowledge or demonic blood paths, he compensates with badassery)<br />
And &#8216;badassery&#8217; probably would be the perfect expression for Cheneys actions if he wouldn&#8217;t have done it in the US of A.<br />
And about that Bennett dude &#8211; perhaps them same old same old with a little more conscious &#8211;<br />
Whenever people are having good feelings, he just literally sucks the feeling out of them, injecting a creepy pedo-vibe.</p>
<p>And I know all of this is actually not funny &#8211; because these type of characters are not supposed to run countries &#8211; But it happened and I loved the Jefferson letters &#8211; and Hi! &#8211; William!</p>
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		<title>By: LWM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LWM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;William: Finally, I’d argue that what he did was criminal not only in the narrow sense, but in the broader sense as well, and that a decent society should prosecute him for his acts. In that sense, and in that sense only, I agree with Greenwald.&lt;/i&gt;

I wanted to add that I don&#039;t necessarily disagree with Greenwald&#039;s argument, vis a vis emergency executive powers, but the clumsy way he does at times frame it.

&lt;i&gt;The President doesn&#039;t have some broad, vague duty to &quot;protect Americans.&quot;  The Constitution really couldn&#039;t be clearer about the President&#039;s primary responsibility:  it&#039;s to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.  Sometimes, the duty actually assigned by the Constitution is consistent with the duty to Keep Us Safe, but many times, Constitutional imperatives are, by design, in conflict with the goal of maximum security. &lt;/i&gt;

And this, possibly the silliest sentence he has ever written:

&lt;i&gt;The claim that the President takes an oath to &quot;defend the country&quot; -- as though he&#039;s some sort of National Security Daddy-Monarch whose supreme, overriding duty is to Keep Us Safe -- is one of the most basic, common and destructive myths in our discourse.&lt;/i&gt;


I really do think the Founders, almost to a man, would have laughed in his face. If the president doesn&#039;t have some broad vague duty to protect Americans we are truly screwed. It is implicit. And my problem has always been the fanatics he attracts who actually do think Lincoln was a Dictator and Tyrant for preserving the Union.

Glenn is not insane, he may be a bit fanatical at times, but I think he would have no argument here with Jefferson. Glenn is definitely a Madisonian, however, and all that entails, including a healthy respect for Madison&#039;s Calvinist roots and belief in the doctrine of human depravity and imperfectability. He doesn&#039;t trust any man with that emergency power. They just don&#039;t make men like that anymore, the Founders, I mean.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.&quot;

Barry Goldwater&lt;/i&gt;

This is an interesting comment but I&#039;m not sure I agree with it. I&#039;m more inclined to agree with the attribution to Franklin but probably authored by Jackson, which people tend to parse incorrectly and misunderstand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jackson_(colonial_agent)

Nicknamed Omniscient Jackson. What a great nick name.


Those who would give up &lt;b&gt;Essential Liberty&lt;/b&gt; to purchase &lt;b&gt;a little Temporary Safety&lt;/b&gt; deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>William: Finally, I’d argue that what he did was criminal not only in the narrow sense, but in the broader sense as well, and that a decent society should prosecute him for his acts. In that sense, and in that sense only, I agree with Greenwald.</i></p>
<p>I wanted to add that I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with Greenwald&#8217;s argument, vis a vis emergency executive powers, but the clumsy way he does at times frame it.</p>
<p><i>The President doesn&#8217;t have some broad, vague duty to &#8220;protect Americans.&#8221;  The Constitution really couldn&#8217;t be clearer about the President&#8217;s primary responsibility:  it&#8217;s to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.  Sometimes, the duty actually assigned by the Constitution is consistent with the duty to Keep Us Safe, but many times, Constitutional imperatives are, by design, in conflict with the goal of maximum security. </i></p>
<p>And this, possibly the silliest sentence he has ever written:</p>
<p><i>The claim that the President takes an oath to &#8220;defend the country&#8221; &#8212; as though he&#8217;s some sort of National Security Daddy-Monarch whose supreme, overriding duty is to Keep Us Safe &#8212; is one of the most basic, common and destructive myths in our discourse.</i></p>
<p>I really do think the Founders, almost to a man, would have laughed in his face. If the president doesn&#8217;t have some broad vague duty to protect Americans we are truly screwed. It is implicit. And my problem has always been the fanatics he attracts who actually do think Lincoln was a Dictator and Tyrant for preserving the Union.</p>
<p>Glenn is not insane, he may be a bit fanatical at times, but I think he would have no argument here with Jefferson. Glenn is definitely a Madisonian, however, and all that entails, including a healthy respect for Madison&#8217;s Calvinist roots and belief in the doctrine of human depravity and imperfectability. He doesn&#8217;t trust any man with that emergency power. They just don&#8217;t make men like that anymore, the Founders, I mean.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Barry Goldwater</i></p>
<p>This is an interesting comment but I&#8217;m not sure I agree with it. I&#8217;m more inclined to agree with the attribution to Franklin but probably authored by Jackson, which people tend to parse incorrectly and misunderstand.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jackson_(colonial_agent)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jackson_(colonial_agent)</a></p>
<p>Nicknamed Omniscient Jackson. What a great nick name.</p>
<p>Those who would give up <b>Essential Liberty</b> to purchase <b>a little Temporary Safety</b> deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.</p>
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		<title>By: sysprog</title>
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		<dc:creator>sysprog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word derivations.

My first cousin (*) Moritz Steinschneider, who specialized in both Hebrew and Arabic, is generally credited for coining &lt;i&gt;antisemitisch&lt;/i&gt; in 1860. 

Moritz used the word to describe philologist J. Ernest Renan, who was theorizing that speakers of Semitic languages were members of a Semitic race, and that Semitic people(s) (Jews AND Arabs) weren&#039;t cosmopolitan enough. 

Later, of course, the anti-Arab meaning was dropped from the word.

Not cosmopolitan enough! You can&#039;t win.

-- sysprog, rootless cosmopolitan
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(*) first cousin, four times removed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word derivations.</p>
<p>My first cousin (*) Moritz Steinschneider, who specialized in both Hebrew and Arabic, is generally credited for coining <i>antisemitisch</i> in 1860. </p>
<p>Moritz used the word to describe philologist J. Ernest Renan, who was theorizing that speakers of Semitic languages were members of a Semitic race, and that Semitic people(s) (Jews AND Arabs) weren&#8217;t cosmopolitan enough. </p>
<p>Later, of course, the anti-Arab meaning was dropped from the word.</p>
<p>Not cosmopolitan enough! You can&#8217;t win.</p>
<p>&#8211; sysprog, rootless cosmopolitan<br />
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(*) first cousin, four times removed</p>
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		<title>By: William Timberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Timberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope. The next one&#039;s on &lt;i&gt;what is to be done.&lt;/i&gt; (German philosophers, yes, but I&#039;ve also read my share of politicos, including some not presently in favor with the king.)

Anyway, there&#039;s a kink or two that developed toward the end -- not surprising, I suppose, considering how often my reach exceeds my grasp -- but I figure it&#039;ll be up before the weekend&#039;s out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. The next one&#8217;s on <i>what is to be done.</i> (German philosophers, yes, but I&#8217;ve also read my share of politicos, including some not presently in favor with the king.)</p>
<p>Anyway, there&#8217;s a kink or two that developed toward the end &#8212; not surprising, I suppose, considering how often my reach exceeds my grasp &#8212; but I figure it&#8217;ll be up before the weekend&#8217;s out.</p>
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		<title>By: LWM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LWM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No posts on empathy? I&#039;d have thought this would be right in your bailiwick. German philosophers? &lt;i&gt;Einfühlung&lt;/i&gt; was first coined by German philosopher Rudolf Lotze in 1858.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No posts on empathy? I&#8217;d have thought this would be right in your bailiwick. German philosophers? <i>Einfühlung</i> was first coined by German philosopher Rudolf Lotze in 1858.</p>
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		<title>By: LWM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LWM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading about Burr and Wilkinson it occurs to me that there are many similarities between Cheney and both men. Not the least of which is shooting people in the face. Plus ça change, plus c&#039;est la même chose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading about Burr and Wilkinson it occurs to me that there are many similarities between Cheney and both men. Not the least of which is shooting people in the face. Plus ça change, plus c&#8217;est la même chose.</p>
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		<title>By: William Timberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Timberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key word here is &lt;i&gt;putatively,&lt;/i&gt; is it not? I don&#039;t disagree with you; I just believe that it&#039;s better to try to ameliorate the known problems of representative government than it is to begin a new romance with authoritarianism.

In fact, you might say that my doing what I&#039;m doing here is at least in part an attempt to contribute to that process -- if you&#039;re feeling charitable, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key word here is <i>putatively,</i> is it not? I don&#8217;t disagree with you; I just believe that it&#8217;s better to try to ameliorate the known problems of representative government than it is to begin a new romance with authoritarianism.</p>
<p>In fact, you might say that my doing what I&#8217;m doing here is at least in part an attempt to contribute to that process &#8212; if you&#8217;re feeling charitable, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: LWM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LWM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I say that I have no argument with this, it is still &quot;we&quot; who granted to these men without the requisite character, through some putatively &quot;democratic&quot; and &quot;fair&quot; process, the right to govern us. This is the problem with outsourcing agency and responsibility in forms of representative government.

On another note. I am now Thomas Jefferson&#039;s unitary executive sock puppet. He was a neocon, don&#039;t you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I say that I have no argument with this, it is still &#8220;we&#8221; who granted to these men without the requisite character, through some putatively &#8220;democratic&#8221; and &#8220;fair&#8221; process, the right to govern us. This is the problem with outsourcing agency and responsibility in forms of representative government.</p>
<p>On another note. I am now Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s unitary executive sock puppet. He was a neocon, don&#8217;t you know.</p>
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		<title>By: William Timberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Timberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I’m never that certain about anything.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s your most endearing character trait. That and your willingness to think out loud, in front of God and everybody. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>I’m never that certain about anything.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s your most endearing character trait. That and your willingness to think out loud, in front of God and everybody. <img src='http://dogtownessays.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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