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		<title>By: bystander</title>
		<link>http://dogtownessays.com/wordpress/2009/06/04/obamas-speech-in-cairo/comment-page-1/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sysprog,

It&#039;s all your fault.  Really.  I could have lived a long time ...  Now, I just can&#039;t get it out of my head.  Every time I turn around...!

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I&#039;m not asking anybody,&quot; said Eeyore. &quot;I&#039;m just telling everybody. We can look for the North Pole, or we can play &#039;Here we go gathering Nuts in May&#039; with the end part of an ants&#039; nest. It&#039;s all the same to me.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sysprog,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all your fault.  Really.  I could have lived a long time &#8230;  Now, I just can&#8217;t get it out of my head.  Every time I turn around&#8230;!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not asking anybody,&#8221; said Eeyore. &#8220;I&#8217;m just telling everybody. We can look for the North Pole, or we can play &#8216;Here we go gathering Nuts in May&#8217; with the end part of an ants&#8217; nest. It&#8217;s all the same to me.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Karen M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, thank god!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, thank god!!!</p>
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		<title>By: sysprog</title>
		<link>http://dogtownessays.com/wordpress/2009/06/04/obamas-speech-in-cairo/comment-page-1/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>sysprog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 06:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adnoto&#039;s version of &quot;maneuver&quot; isn&#039;t Paris 1871, but more like this maneuver:&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Eeyore, the old grey Donkey, stood by the side of the stream, and looked at himself in the water.

&quot;Pathetic,&quot; he said. &quot;That&#039;s what it is. Pathetic.&quot;

He turned and walked slowly down the stream for twenty yards, splashed across it, and walked slowly back on the other side. Then he looked at himself in the water again.

&quot;As I thought,&quot; he said. &quot;No better from this side.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adnoto&#8217;s version of &#8220;maneuver&#8221; isn&#8217;t Paris 1871, but more like this maneuver:<br />
<blockquote>Eeyore, the old grey Donkey, stood by the side of the stream, and looked at himself in the water.</p>
<p>&#8220;Pathetic,&#8221; he said. &#8220;That&#8217;s what it is. Pathetic.&#8221;</p>
<p>He turned and walked slowly down the stream for twenty yards, splashed across it, and walked slowly back on the other side. Then he looked at himself in the water again.</p>
<p>&#8220;As I thought,&#8221; he said. &#8220;No better from this side.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: William Timberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Timberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to do a longer piece on this -- it&#039;ll probably take me several days. I&#039;m shooting for the middle of next week, but &lt;i&gt;chi sa?&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s been a while since anyone with any sense has addressed the problem of what a genuine politics in our modern mass societies would look like, not since &lt;i&gt;One-dimensional Man,&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;The Port Huron Statement,&lt;/i&gt; anyway. Since I&#039;ve spent over forty years thinking about this, ever since a bunch of idiots burned the Bank of America branch in my home town, and the Maoists took over SDS from us philosophes, I figure I&#039;ll have a bash.

Even if I&#039;m not as clever as Gramsci, or as experienced as Saul Alinsky, &lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt; has to try it. We can&#039;t let Adnoto, buckheru, and Chris Sinnard be the only ones to square off against the American Moloch, can we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to do a longer piece on this &#8212; it&#8217;ll probably take me several days. I&#8217;m shooting for the middle of next week, but <i>chi sa?</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a while since anyone with any sense has addressed the problem of what a genuine politics in our modern mass societies would look like, not since <i>One-dimensional Man,</i> and <i>The Port Huron Statement,</i> anyway. Since I&#8217;ve spent over forty years thinking about this, ever since a bunch of idiots burned the Bank of America branch in my home town, and the Maoists took over SDS from us philosophes, I figure I&#8217;ll have a bash.</p>
<p>Even if I&#8217;m not as clever as Gramsci, or as experienced as Saul Alinsky, <i>someone</i> has to try it. We can&#8217;t let Adnoto, buckheru, and Chris Sinnard be the only ones to square off against the American Moloch, can we?</p>
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		<title>By: LWM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LWM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was being facetious about adnoto in my comment on the other thread. Gramsci&#039;s &quot;war of maneuver&quot; is all he can envisage. He, and whoever he was able to attract to his &quot;cause,&quot; would end up cut to ribbons. I do think a bullet to the brain of people like Grover Norquist would be a moral good - it would prevent a number of deaths. But then you get back to the sticky issue of &quot;criminalizing&quot; policy disputes, not to mention the false equivalence between the abolition and abortion debates.

As I understand it, Gramsci didn&#039;t think his &quot;war of maneuver&quot; would be successful in the west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was being facetious about adnoto in my comment on the other thread. Gramsci&#8217;s &#8220;war of maneuver&#8221; is all he can envisage. He, and whoever he was able to attract to his &#8220;cause,&#8221; would end up cut to ribbons. I do think a bullet to the brain of people like Grover Norquist would be a moral good &#8211; it would prevent a number of deaths. But then you get back to the sticky issue of &#8220;criminalizing&#8221; policy disputes, not to mention the false equivalence between the abolition and abortion debates.</p>
<p>As I understand it, Gramsci didn&#8217;t think his &#8220;war of maneuver&#8221; would be successful in the west.</p>
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		<title>By: William Timberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Timberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDL isn&#039;t my cup of tea either, although I have to say that I admire both Jane and Christy for their sheer doggedness. &lt;i&gt;More formidable and structural&lt;/i&gt; than she anticipated, yes, but not more so than &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; anticipated. It&#039;s not because I&#039;m smarter, you understand -- I&#039;m never going to claim that. Rather it&#039;s because I spent more time reading philosophers and political theorists than I did politicians. If you&#039;ve read Marx, or Gramsci, or Marcuse, you understand that the task of righting wrongs has become a matter of creating a new cultural consensus, nothing less.

That ain&#039;t exactly an easy task, and it&#039;s not something you can accomplish overnight, either. Worse yet, you can&#039;t really trust anybody who doesn&#039;t understand the nature of the process to be much of an ally. If you&#039;re as dedicated -- and as dogged -- as Jane, you tend to come to a point where you&#039;re tempted to break out the pitchforks and torches. Win or lose, that&#039;s the most dangerous point you&#039;re ever likely to come to in the course of the struggle -- ask any revolutionary of the past.

Be patient, be determined, and be careful what you wish for in your darker moments -- that&#039;d be my advice, and not mine alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDL isn&#8217;t my cup of tea either, although I have to say that I admire both Jane and Christy for their sheer doggedness. <i>More formidable and structural</i> than she anticipated, yes, but not more so than <i>I</i> anticipated. It&#8217;s not because I&#8217;m smarter, you understand &#8212; I&#8217;m never going to claim that. Rather it&#8217;s because I spent more time reading philosophers and political theorists than I did politicians. If you&#8217;ve read Marx, or Gramsci, or Marcuse, you understand that the task of righting wrongs has become a matter of creating a new cultural consensus, nothing less.</p>
<p>That ain&#8217;t exactly an easy task, and it&#8217;s not something you can accomplish overnight, either. Worse yet, you can&#8217;t really trust anybody who doesn&#8217;t understand the nature of the process to be much of an ally. If you&#8217;re as dedicated &#8212; and as dogged &#8212; as Jane, you tend to come to a point where you&#8217;re tempted to break out the pitchforks and torches. Win or lose, that&#8217;s the most dangerous point you&#8217;re ever likely to come to in the course of the struggle &#8212; ask any revolutionary of the past.</p>
<p>Be patient, be determined, and be careful what you wish for in your darker moments &#8212; that&#8217;d be my advice, and not mine alone.</p>
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		<title>By: LWM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t normally read FDL but Hamsher has a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/dana-milbanks-750-word-quota-and-the-future-of-progressive-activism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Come To Jesus Moment.&lt;/A&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;But that&#039;s only part of the story of why the progressive movement languishes, and I agree with Milbank that it does. I love the sausage-making process much more than the bomb-throwing, and I find taking part in incremental victories on issues like social security, cramdown or oversight of the Fed more satisfying than thundering defeats. But I have come to understand that the institutional forces that prevent real change from happening are more formidable and more structural than I anticipated.

That isn&#039;t Obama&#039;s fault, either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t normally read FDL but Hamsher has a <a HREF="http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/dana-milbanks-750-word-quota-and-the-future-of-progressive-activism/" rel="nofollow">Come To Jesus Moment.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>But that&#8217;s only part of the story of why the progressive movement languishes, and I agree with Milbank that it does. I love the sausage-making process much more than the bomb-throwing, and I find taking part in incremental victories on issues like social security, cramdown or oversight of the Fed more satisfying than thundering defeats. But I have come to understand that the institutional forces that prevent real change from happening are more formidable and more structural than I anticipated.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t Obama&#8217;s fault, either.</p></blockquote>
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